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At first I said I would have 3 cwt. The market price of the undamaged lard was 46s. I was not there when the lard was delivered, and I did not see it until the police-sergeant came on the Tuesday. Bowman called on me about 6. I do not know that he was waiting an hour to see me. It was my usual rest time up till half-past six. I have known Bowman 15 years, and so far as I knew he was a man of the highest respectability. For years he was a confectioner, and alter that up till within a short time of this occurrence he had a farm where pig-breeding was carried on.
I did not know he had given up the farm and become a general dealer.
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He was a man I would trust. He came about this lard in the ordinary way; there was nothing secret about it. I consider I offered him a fair price for a damaged article. I think it was United States lard. He made no demur to taking a cheque. The cheque was crossed. I did not ask him where he got the lard from. I said, "Your name is Bowman, is it not? Allardyce's Green Lanes shop and eight at the Harringay shop. Then he said, "I did not go with the carman, but met him there. I saw Mr. I changed the cheque in the Mile End Road. I met Cohen in a public-house at the corner of Brady Street, Whitechapel, at eight p.
That is the first time I saw him that Saturday. I do not know who Cohen is or where he comes from. That was the first time I knew anything about the lard. There he was identified by the man Gregory as the man who had shown him the way to the stables on the date that the stuff was stolen. I searched him and found upon him a quantity of memoranda, and amongst other things the following letter: "Dear Fred,—I thought the matter over after our con venation with 'Mac' yesterday. As they are apparently watching you, it seems to me to be asking for trouble to go on with anything just at present.
I will drop a line as to meeting later in the week. I said "Mr. Crocker" to him twice. Ho said, "That is not my name. I shall arrest you for being concerned with a man named Bowman, now in custody for forging and uttering an order for 50 boxes of lard, the property of the Morris Beef Company.
He was subsequently charged and made no reply. I conveyed him in a cab to Tower Bridge Police Court. On the way he said, "It is quite right all out the witnesses.
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I could have told you that this morning if you had asked me. I was there when the lard was got from the box, and I arranged with Bowman to help sell it, but we were too late for the sale on Saturday. There were 50 boxes altogether, and the only place I thought of was Mr. Allardyce's shop at Herringay. I went with the van, but I took no part in selling it. Bowman did that. The box produced is one I brought from Allardyce's. I have made inquiries about Bowman. I cannot say he is a highly respectable man.
He has been a bankrupt, I believe. After he was turned out of his shop he did a little bit of jobbing round the wharves and warehouses. One day about 18 months ago a carman dropped a sack of sugar at , Whitechapel Road for Mr. The carman was arrested, and Bowman's sister, who lived at the place, gave evidence at the Thames Police Court that the sugar was taken there for some other person; otherwise she would have been arrested for receiving it. Two men are now in custody and awaiting trial at Chelmsford who have been at his farm receiving stuff there.
One is MacPherson, the" Mac" referred to in the letter. They had been getting bullocks, sheep, and pigs by worthless cheques. Bowman gave these men a reference to get a banking account at Walthamstow. I do not know whether the two men have been convicted, but they are awaiting trial 1 took Bowman's statement down in Forest Road, Epping. I cautioned. I have tried to find the man Cohen spoken of by Bowman in the neighbourhood of the Whitechapel Road. I did not inquire for him at Smithfield Market, where I have no doubt there are a number of people named Cohen to be found.
I have also made inquiries concerning Crocker. For some years he has been known by the name of Seaton. He was discharged from Fitch's for not doing his duty in a proper manner. He was a buyer and salesman, and I think the firm found out that he was buying goods from another firm at 60s. Fitch at 68a. I got my information from Mr. Hugh Fitch. After Crocker left Fitch's, as far as I can gather, he went to a man named Shaw, and he was to receive one third of the business that he took into the place. I do not think he was there more than six months. He introduced as a customer Frederick Bowman, of , Whitechapel Road, which was a place where prisoner Bowman used to have stuff left I have no information that Crocker worked at Sainsbury's, obtaining employment there on the strength of the character he received from Fitch's.
As to what he has been doing in the last few years I could say a lot.
There are no previous convictions against him. For the greater part of my life I have been a baker and confectioner at various places, Walthamstow last. I gave up the confectionery business, and went into pig breeding at Temple Mills, Leyton. I still have the farm, but I had a lot of ill luck in breeding, and the page died off. I then went into the salvage line, dealing in salvaged goods from shipping companies, damaged wheat, and so on. I have known Crocker I suppose about twelve years. Frederick Cohen. I cannot tell you where he resides, but I have met him at Smithfield and at various sales.
He hat no place of business that I have ever heard of. Altogether I have had three dealt with him. I bought tome damaged wheat of him, which was delivered at Temple Mills. Then in September I bought some damaged maize, about 3 cwt. Cohen told me that this lard had been damaged by sea water, and he asked me if I could tell some for him, and I said I would try. The tame day I met Crocker at Aldgate and told him what had happened, and Crocker asked me where be could find Cohen.
I told him he would be at the "Bricklayer's Arms" tome time in the afternoon. Crocker wanted to sell some of the lard. That was all that took place between us. I did not know that a forged order had been presented to Messrs. Morris purporting to come from Messrs. I had no hand in that At to Gregory's statement that he taw me in Peckham at 5.
Allardyce to get up. I have a brother named Bert who resembles me very. It would take about an hour and a half to get from Peckham to Harringay. My arrangement with Cohen was that all I could get over 36s. I did not ask Cohen where he got the lard from. Dealers do not as a rule ask each other where they get damaged cargoes from. I did not open a case to look at it, and did not see any of it till I saw it on the Monday.
On the evening of the Saturday I saw Cohen about, 8 o'clock at a public house at the corner of Brady Street, Whitechapel, by appointment. I met him there because I had no business place, and he had none as far as I know. I told him a had sold Mr. Allardyce 5 cwt. Cohen said, "Have you got any money? He asked when he was to deliver it, and I said he was to deliver it before 12 o'clock on Monday at the Green Lanes.
He said, "All right, it shall be there. I saw the lard for the first time on the Monday at the Green Lanes in a van. I think he came up to say he could not sell any of the lard. If I had told Cohen I was going to sell the stuff to Allardyce he might have gone there and traded on his own account, and I should not have got any profit from him.
That is all the profit I made out of the transaction. I did not know that the lard had been deposited in Morris's stables till the detective told me. The letter found upon me I suppose I received six or eight weeks ago. There had been a robbery within a few yards of the piggery, and "Mac" told me, one morning that the people round there were all being watched on account of it "It seems to me to be asking for trouble to go out with anything just at present" has reference to a project of Crocker's as to betting.
He said what a fine opportunity there was for making a book over this way, as the Great Eastern people employed 8, men, and he thought it would be very fine business.
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I have tried to find Cohen, but have been unable to do so. He does not haunt the places I am accustomed to go to. I was willing under the circumstances to find a job wherever I could. I was always open to earn money. My brother is not here. I do not think he could be brought here by the morning, as he has gone away. Cross-examination continued. I told Inspector Pusey that Cohen was a Jew. I could not tell him where he could be found; I should like to find him myself. I have never been to Harringay from Peckham, and am not aware that the journey can be done in three-quarter of an hour.
I have never had any charge brought against me before this. I have known Bowman ten or twelve years. On December 5 I met him in the neighbourhood of Aldgate Station. He told me he had some lard for disposal and asked me if I could dispose of any, as I was well known in the provision trade. I said I thought I could. He told me it was damaged lard. Up till the end of November I had been with Shaw and Co. Previously I had been dealing in cracked eggs, which are used for confectionery purposes.
He told me I could see the lard at the "Bricklayers' Arms" between three and four the same afternoon. I went to the" Bricklayers' Arms" and there saw Cohen, whom I had seen twice in the company of Bowman and knew as a dealer. I asked Cohen about the lard he had for sale, and he said it would be there presently. We were in conversation for some little time, and he then gave me a small packet and told me to take it across to the carman Hutt and tell him to go to Rye Lane, Peckham.
Afterwards I went on to Peckham myself in accordance With Cohen's instructions. I have no stable at Peckham. Cohen gave me the address of a man named Morris and said, "If you go to that address and mention the name of Bert Bowman he will store this lard until Monday. I went to the address given me by Cohen and saw Mrs.
I asked her permission to store the boxes in the stable, and mentioned the name of Bert Bowman. She said she knew Bert Bowman well and I could do that, certainly. I had never seen Mrs. Morris before that date. The statement of the carman Hutt that I got on to his wagon and rode for yards going to Tooley Street is absolutely untrue. Before I left Cohen at the" Bricklayers' Arms" he gave me 4s.
After I had spoken to Mrs. Morris I went back to where the van was standing and told the carman Hutt to take the boxes to the stable in Atwell Street. I was not with Bowman after, and left him in Tooley Street. He was not with me in Peckham. If Gregory says he saw me and Bowman together that afternoon that is wrong. The boxes were unloaded by the Carmen and two young fellows who were in the stable at the time. I saw some of the boxes at Harringay on the Monday—I presume they were the same.
I saw Bowman there. With the exception of the 4s. I received nothing else from Cohen. When I was in Fitch's employment I had opportunity of getting hold of their notepaper but I never had any of it after I left their employment. I left there about June, , for the reason that I had been engaging in transactions on my own account. That came about in this way: A man named Pearson, who had been in the employ of the firm for some time, was discharged as he was getting rather old—there was nothing against his character.
He came to me some time afterwards and said he had nothing to do and had a family dependent on him and if he could get some goods for sale he could get a living; could I help him? After considertion I said yes; I would buy some goods and he could sell them. I bought goods in the market and this Pearson sold them. It came to the knowledge of Mr. Edwin Fitch and Mr. Stanley Fitch. They called me up into the office and said that they heard I had been engaged in outside transactions, they would not have that, and I must leave their employment.
Stanley Fitch gave me a written reference. After that I went to Sainsbury's. There is no truth in the suggestion that I traded with Fitch's money or that I had goods invoiced to Fitch's at more than cost price and took the balance myself. I asked Mr. Fitch if there was any imputation of dishonesty as to my transactions and he said none whatever. At the time of this transaction of December 5 I was in no regular employment.
I had just left Shaw and Company. I have been on, bail, but have not since seen anything of Cohen, though I have been to the places where I had been in the habit of seeing him. I did not tell Sergeant Pusey I was at the docks when the lard was obtained. I told him I arranged with Bowman to help sell it. I told Pusey my name was not Crocker but Seaton. That is the name I have been going by for three and a half years. I first saw Hutt at the "Bricklayers' Arms.
On the Monday following I did not see the boxes actually delivered at Allardyce's shop in Green Lanes, but I saw them on the van. I did not notice how many there were. I did not go to the other shop. Fifty boxes were stored in Morris's shed. I have no knowledge where the rest are. Having seen them stored I did not worry about them any further. I admit that the letter found on Bowman was written by me.
I could not see my way to going into betting transactions while Bowman's place was being watched in consequence of something that had occurred at Temple Mills. With 8, men there employed by the railway company I thought there was a very good chance of making a starting-price book.
Sentence, Each nine months' hard labour. The Recorder said the police would no doubt exercise proper discretion. This being a case of obtaining by false pretences and not one of larceny, he could make no order of restitution. Sentence, Four months' hard labour. Cordell to do a certain act in relation to his principals, affairs and business. My firm collect a number of debts for German clients.
On July 14, , we had instructions from Scrobell, Tscherner, and Co. Harris and Co. Barbican, and saw the prisoner. He said he knew all about it and he did not owe the money; he had the goods in his possession, but he could not sell them: they were not according to sample, they were not as ordered. I wrote to Germany for further instructions. I saw prisoner on August 7. He said he bad sent the piano to South Africa,; he did not intend to pay for it, as it was damaged in transit.
He did not dispute that debt. I then told him our instructions from Scrobell and Co. We discussed the matter, and prisoner suggested that perhaps there was some means of getting out of the payment of that debt; he said that if I could write over in my principals' name to Scrobell and Co. I said, "If you give me time to consider the matter, I will let you know," and promised to call again the next day. I then returned to my office and reported the matter to Mr. The next morning, October 8, Mr. The same afternoon I went to 22, Barbican, with Sergeant Newell and saw prisoner, leaving Newell outside.
I told prisoner I had considered his offer and was willing to accept it, but before I wrote the letter I required a payment on account. He said I could not have cash; he had not sold the goods and did not know what they would realise and how much would be due to me. Bank, payable to my order. As I was leaving prisoner said if I had any further instructions from Continental firms, if I would call upon him he would treat me in the same way. I then left, joined Newell at the doorway, and handed him the cheque, which he returned to me, and I handed it to Mr.
Blandford the same day. I have been collecting debts for German firms for some time; in about 5 per cent. I have not known that defence to succeed in court. I have sometimes advised clients to accept a return of the goods. The third time I saw prisoner he said the goods were all right. I never examined the goods. On another debt we have ultimately accepted 50 per cent.
I had six interviews in all with the prisoner between July 14 and October 7. I made no note of those interviews. I am trusting to my memory, assisted by the letters I wrote. On one occasion prisoner pointed to the goods, but I did not want to see them because I told him my instructions were to sue for the full amount. On October 7 and 8 prisoner's manager was present, whom I knew as Pallast. He may have passed through at a previous interview. Prisoner offered to return the goods on August I told him my instructions were not to accept the return of the goods, and that we must press for payment of the whole debt.
Prisoner said he would not pay for them because they were not according to sample—not what he expected when he ordered. I saw him again in the street in September and asked him to return the invoice. I told him I wanted it to prepare the indorsement of my writ. That was a bluff to let him think we were immediately proceeding, and to see if he would pay something on account. On October 7 prisoner did not offer to take the goods at a reduced price. On October 8 he asked me what name he should make the cheque out in, and I gave him my card.
He asked if I would accept a crossed cheque. I said I did not mind as I had a banking account of my own. He said, "You do not want to cash this to-day, do you? I believe prisoner's banking account has been examined, but I do not know how it stood. I made a note produced of the interview of October 7. Held that the note could not be put in evidence. I have a large number of debts to collect for German clients. Cordell attends to the business when they are within the limits of county court work.
On July 14 I had instructions from Scrobell and Co. On October 7 Cordell had an interview with me; we saw Superintendent Stark the next morning and Cordell subsequently handed me cheque produced. I subsequently. A warrant was afterwards obtained upon the sworn information of H. Scott, who stated that prisoner was departing for America on Wednesday next, that his wife had already arrived in America, that he had disposed of his household furniture and was living at temporary apartments at Stoke Newington.
I believe that information was not correct. I have inspected prisoners banking account. On October 8, at three to four p. Cordell went into the office; I went up a few stairs and saw him through a window apparently in conversation with two other persons. On October 31 I served upon prisoner at his office the summons charging him with the present offence. In the meantime a further information by Scott was sworn, a warrant was obtained, and I arrested prisoner, on November 17, at his office.
I told him I had a warrant for his arrest. I said, "This warrant has been granted upon an information sworn at the Guildhall to the effect that you are about to go to America, that you have sold your furniture, your wife has gone to America, and you are about to go in the course of a few days. My wife has been to America on a visit to relatives there and she has returned already. I have no intention of going to America. All the previous counterfoils are filled up; the subsequent counterfoils down to October 19 are filled up; there are some blank ones at the end of the book.
From inquiries made I believe prisoner's statements as to the information sworn by Scott to be true. When I arrested him he was carrying on business in the ordinary way so far as I could see. I carry on business at 22, Barbican as merchant and warehouseman, I am 31 years of age, have been in England about 20 years, and have been in business as. I have never been bankrupt or compounded with my creditors. The furniture belongs in great part to my wife.
Three months ago I was solvent. My business is chiefly with German firms, from whom I buy goods through agents or upon samples sent over. They sent me samples of hair-cloth, of which I ordered ten pieces, which were delivered three months afterwards. They were not according to sample; I wrote to Scrobell and Company stating that I could not do with the goods at all, that I had ordered hair cloth and that they had sent me starched canvas. I had a copy of the letter, but is has disappeared; I showed it to Cordell when I first saw him in July. I told him that 1 could not do with the goods; showed him the goods, and he compared them with the sample which I produced to him.
I asked him to write to Scrobell and Company and ask them to take the goods back, and he said he would do so and let me know. About five weeks later he called, brought a duplicate invoice, said he was going to take the goods back and he would call to-morrow morning with a barrow and take them after checking them with the invoice. I said he could do so with pleasure, that I could not sell them and that I bad no use for them.
I put them out in rows to show that they were exactly as per invoice. He did not call again. About six weeks later in December I met him in the street and asked him why he had not taken the goods away. He said he was rather busy and would let me know in due course. He has called a few times and seen my manager.
My manager told me that he had arranged with Cordell to pay 25 per cent of the price of the goods. I told Cordell that the goods were there for him to take away but as my manager had arranged with him to give him 25 per cent. Cordell said, "Can you give me the cash? He handed me card produced and said, "You can make the cheque out to me. I told him if he was not satisfied he could take the goods back as I could hardly sell them at any time.
I told him that if he would bring up a receipt I would give him an open cheque for the balance. I had quite sufficient money at the bank to meet the cheque. I did not give it as a bribe as stated by. I was served with a summons in this case and afterwards arrested, My wife had been to America last summer to see her relatives and had then returned.
I had not disposed of my furniture or given up my house. I had just bought some fresh furniture. I bad no intention of leaving the country. The statements in the information of Scott on which a warrant was obtained are absolutely untrue. My manager's name is Seelenfreund. He, has been with me about nine months as my manager; he has never been in partnership with me.
He does not speak English as well as I do, but he understands it, and I speak to him both in German and English. I have no entry of it in a book. I gave Newell the account showing my receipts and payments. I do not keep books beyond my letter book and the invoices. I have marked the invoice with this payment. I have not brought the invoice here as I did not think it necessary. Cheques are usually made out by my manager and the counterfoil filled up. Making out the cheque myself I might leave the counterfoil blank if I was in a hurry. I cannot exactly remember why I did not fill up the counterfoil of Cordell's cheque.
As a crossed cheque has to go through the bank, I consider it as good as a receipt. I usually get a receipt as well. I asked Cordell for a receipt, and he said he was going to bring one up in a day or two, so I did not give him all the money. I had seen him several times, and he represented himself as a solicitor or a partner in the firm.
He must have misunderstood me or misunderstood my manager. I can hardly believe how he comes to say what he does. I ordered the goods in February, , and received them in April or May. They were ordered on the usual terms of payment in thirty days. I wrote letter produced dated April, , to Scrobell and Co.
We will also in future, if you wish, pay you cash. As this it a cash transaction, we will remit you as soon as we receive the goods. We might remit either by a bill or by cash. Scrobell and Co. I wrote them Stating they were not what I had ordered. I showed a press copy of the letter to Cordell. The letter was in German; the copy is mislaid. I cannot find it. My manager wrote the letter. Cordell read it. My manager showed it to him in my presence. The letter was in German. Cordell cannot read German, but my manager read it over to him, and he looked at the letter to see the date.
Cordell said he would write to the firm, tell them all about it, and let me know. He came again and said he would take the gods back the next morning. He said, "I shall take the goods back. I will call for the goods to-morrow morning, as you complain of them. I showed Cordell the sample.
Anyone could see the difference. He told me he would call for the goods the next morning with a barrow or with a man. I think that statement is in. I do not know why it was not suggested to Cordell in cross-examination. I told my solicitor of it. Three or four weeks afterwards, when I met Cordell, I asked him why he had not been for the goods.
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